WTB 17MM OR 19MM Master cylinder Options

[bajafreaks]

I'm in need of a 17mm or 19mm master cylinder ATE in excellent/new condition. Hoping someone has an extra one laying around (I know wishful thinking) but I'm having a hard time paying $600+ that vendors are charging, if they even have any available. Thanks

[Mitox]

AutohausAZ has the ATE 19mm for $385.

https://www.autohausaz.com/pn/AT-9013550120...6gtGNyQg8svYSkF

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

@914Sixer had a stash of 17MM MCs. Not sure if he has any left.

[914Sixer]

Autohausaz, not correct. Sold the stash.

[bajafreaks]

Autohausaz, not correct. Sold the stash.

And the company you sold them to wants $600+ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[aturboman]

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=378127&hl=

I still have this MC

[bajafreaks]

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=378127&hl=

I still have this MC

I have the clip off of my 17mm can you confirm it will work on this 19mm?
I honestly dont know the difference between a 17 and 19.

[aturboman]

Yes it will. other than the bore they are identical cylinders

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=378127&hl=

I still have this MC

I have the clip off of my 17mm can you confirm it will work on this 19mm?
I honestly dont know the difference between a 17 and 19.

[mepstein]

I don’t know why the ATE MC’s are $600+. It’s not like the design changed in the last couple decades. They are out of stock at our distributor. Maybe when they become available again th we price will go back to a more normal level.

[Ninja]

If they come back...

I see this type of crap often now.

I bought the last aftermarket Sanden compressor for a 2010 CRV this spring.

Sold it to my customer at $600 and made a small profit.

I believe Sanden has stopped making them.

Honda themselves is the ONLY source for this compressor now, they have plenty.

The Honda list is $2240...

2000-2010 GM truck blend door actuators went from $80 to $350. Most setups have two of these.

The bean counters are pricing rare parts (anything over 10 years old) at 5 times what they should be and DO NOT appear to be interested in producing more.

That CRV went to a Honda dealer first for its AC problem. Came back with an $8500 estimate for AC work alone. That "totals" the car.

I replaced the noisy compressor and completed ALL of the car's PMs for less than 2K.
That does not total the car, and the owners should get another 5 years out of it.

That dealership aggressively tried to sell them a new CRV...

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I believe we've seen the last of the $200 ATE masters.

[914werke]

Yes it will. other than the bore they are identical cylinders

Not even close to being accurate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

[Ninja]

Yes it will. other than the bore they are identical cylinders

Not even close to being accurate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

Made me look...

I have a new ATE 19mm and my original 17 which I've already torn down.

The castings appear identical. All ports line up exactly.

The ID of the clip bore is 27mm on both.

The clips are identical.

The one that is in the classifieds will accept your current hardware.

It will be an increase in bore size which does change how the pedal feels.

The brake activation point in the stroke will be a little higher.
The leg force required will be slightly higher.
Most folks find it completely usable.

Strangely the new ATE cylinder came with the reservoir line bushings installed but the washers which live underneath them in a bag...
Make sure to verify washer installation before you assemble it.
The old washers out of your original cylinder should work fine if that unit is missing them.

[mepstein]

Yea, big mistake to leave out the spacer washers.

[bajafreaks]

Yes it will. other than the bore they are identical cylinders

Not even close to being accurate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

Made me look...

I have a new ATE 19mm and my original 17 which I've already torn down.

The castings appear identical. All ports line up exactly.

The ID of the clip bore is 27mm on both.

The clips are identical.

The one that is in the classifieds will accept your current hardware.


It will be an increase in bore size which does change how the pedal feels.

The brake activation point in the stroke will be a little higher.
The leg force required will be slightly higher.
Most folks find it completely usable.

Strangely the new ATE cylinder came with the reservoir line bushings installed but the washers which live underneath them in a bag...
Make sure to verify washer installation before you assemble it.
The old washers out of your original cylinder should work fine if that unit is missing them.

Thanks for the info, wasnt aware of the washers you mentioned.

[914werke]

I recently had a MC failure of one of the 17mm repop MC's
Because the I am the curious sort I tore into it to figure out why.
Since i was essentially rebuilding a MC I also pulled out a couple used units to compare elements, An OE ATE 17 & 19.
Other that than the Manufacture cast logo the repop 17 was effectively identical to the OE unit.
The 19. is specifically different to an 17mm MC in several ways
Aside from the mm designation cast into the neck of the unit, the body is wider,
the bore is obviously greater but, the main plunger assembly is slightly different.
The secondary bore components are also different.
Under the end cap of the the 17 uses a 4 piece assembly (springs F&R & seal pins x2)
while the 19 uses a single pin/rod with a single spring.
I didnt bother to pull the welch plugs but anticipate difference there as well
The external fittings ARE the same but anything intrinsic to the operation of the MC are specific and NOT interchangable

[aturboman]

914-4 (early) and 914-6 use all the same hard brake lines to the master, pedal assembly parts (except throttle lever), brake push rod, reservoir, etc

914-4 came stock with a 17mm and 914-6 with a 19mm ATE cylinder.

In the 20+ cars I've personally been involved with, being converted to 911 suspensions and brakes over 30+ years we simply bought a new 19mm ATE 911 master cylinder (901 355 012 00) and anything bolt in.

What ever the nuanced differences may be with the castings or internal components they definitely did not impact the physical interchangeably in the past.

On a side note in 1969 only there was a 20mm brake cylinder used only on the S models.

These also interchanged directly with 914, 912, 911 when we could still get them many years ago.

[rjames]

I recently had a MC failure of one of the 17mm repop MC's
Because the I am the curious sort I tore into it to figure out why.
Since i was essentially rebuilding a MC I also pulled out a couple used units to compare elements, An OE ATE 17 & 19.
Other that than the Manufacture cast logo the repop 17 was effectively identical to the OE unit.
The 19. is specifically different to an 17mm MC in several ways
Aside from the mm designation cast into the neck of the unit, the body is wider,
the bore is obviously greater but, the main plunger assembly is slightly different.
The secondary bore components are also different.
Under the end cap of the the 17 uses a 4 piece assembly (springs F&R & seal pins x2)
while the 19 uses a single pin/rod with a single spring.
I didnt bother to pull the welch plugs but anticipate difference there as well
The external fittings ARE the same but anything intrinsic to the operation of the MC are specific and NOT interchangable

So why did the mc fail? I bought one of them, too. Would like to know if it's functional.